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发表于 2018-10-23 12:29 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Mentoring

Mentoring is how more influential players in the squad pass on their experience to younger players.
Mentoring allows the manager to group players together for the purpose of sharing Player Traits (PPMs) and passing on desirable (or undesirable) personality traits.
Players must be in the same squad to mentor one another and each group must consist of at least 3 players.
A good starting point is one experienced professional that is a social leader grouped with several younger up-and-coming players that play in a similar position.
It is also possible to set up a short period of one-on-one mentoring via the 'Welcome to club' interaction on signing a new player. This will invite a current player to mentor the new signing off the pitch for a short period of time and ease his transition into his new group of teammates. This affects personality and settling at the club only, no Player Traits (PPMs) are passed.

辅导

辅导的定义是你的阵中具有影响力的球员怎样把他们的经验传授给年轻球员们。
辅导的操作方式是,主教练把几名球员归入进一个小组里,目的是分享“个人习惯”,以及把你希望看到的(或者不希望看到的)性格传授给其他球员。
只有处在一个阵容中的球员才能组成一个辅导小组,每个小组的最低人数是3人。
在起步阶段,最好让一名经验丰富的、具有较高球队地位的领导者来带领几名同位置的年轻球员。
当你签下一名新球员的时候,你也可以利用“欢迎来到俱乐部”的互动对话,让目前阵中的一名球员短期内一对一辅导新签下的球员,这会帮助新球员更快地熟悉他的新队友们。不过这种一对一指导只会影响球员的性格以及在新俱乐部的适应程度,而不会学到老师的个人习惯。




The player doesn't need specifics any longer and needs to move away from what they're used to previously. Before it was more exploitable because users were able to know what the magic numbers were for optimal personalities and player development. The old system was all about figuring out the number values and you couldn't fail. FM19 is more realistic and a lot slower in this regard. There is also no magic numbers anymore so to speak.
Once the game is officially released on the 2nd. There will be a more detailed training guide that offers more specific insights but people need to move away from thinking about training in a number value or wanting to know by 'how much'. As the game doesn't work the same any longer.

玩家不需要关注太多细节,玩家需要改变他们以前的游戏习惯。在过去,拜师系统比较好操作,因为玩家只需要知道哪些数值影响球员性格和发展。老的系统只是要求你发现那些关键的数值,而且你没有犯错的空间。FM19变得更加真实,同时在拜师方面也变得“更慢”了。某种程度上说你已经找不到那些关键的数值了。
在11月2号游戏正式发布以后,我们会发布更多关于训练的细节,帮助玩家更好理解。但是玩家需要改变以前数值为王,一切量化的思维,因为新游戏的理念已经变的不一样了。



Yes indeed, Dynamics is a big factor in Mentoring.
动态系统会对辅导产生很大的影响。



Playing position is a factor, but not a rule. Similar to age.
It is better to have similarly positioned players working together, but a particularly influential pro can overcome this.
Obviously for the learning of Player Traits (PPMs), you're more likely to want similar positions working together.
球员的场上位置会对辅导产生影响,但这不是绝对要满足的规定。年龄同样如此。
把同位置的球员安排在同一个辅导小组是比较好的选择,但是如果一名球员的影响力足够大,那么他也能克服跨位置的界限。
不过对于学习场上习惯来说,当然是安排同位置的球员在一起学习成功的几率更大一些。



Only players from the same squad can mentor one another, so yes need to promote that prospect to mentor him.
From a training point of view I definitely would not move all your reserves to the senior team, it'll up your coaches workload far too much.
只有来自同一阵容的球员才能组成辅导小组,所以如果你想让青年队的天才接受指导,必须先把他提上一线队。
不过从训练效果的角度讲,我们不建议把所有青训球员提拔进一线队,因为你的一线队教练无法应付这么多人的训练量。



1) can a player with a good personality attribute have it dragged down by mentoring a large bunch of less influential or more junior players with a poor personality attribute?
Under certain circumstances yes this can happen.
1)如果你用一个性格比较出色的老球员和几名性格比较消极的年轻球员组成一个辅导小组,老球员的性格会不会被年轻球员们拖后腿?
在特定的情况下,这是有可能发生的。


2) more generally does group size have much of an effect either way on whether people learn things?
A larger group with only one senior/influential member will see that player having less time to spend with individuals. It's about creating the right type of balance in a unit. You unit tells you who is the most likely to be the influencer and so on. Over time some of the less influential members might also become influential.
2)总体来讲,辅导小组的人数会不会影响辅导的效果?
假如一个辅导小组里有很多年轻球员,但是只有一名影响力较大的老球员,那么老球员花在每个年轻球员身上的时间就会减少。这就需要玩家自己去掌握组队的平衡。你的小组会告诉你哪名球员最有可能在小组里施加最大的影响。但是随着时间推移,有些初始影响力不高的球员也会渐渐增加影响力(进而影响别的球员)。



Mentoring can of course affect personality / determination.  But it's nowhere near the same thing as the old tutoring system where all you did was two put players together and 6 months later bingo bango bongo.
It's not as straight forward as that.  Loads more influences (including dynamics) and a longer term thing.  Don't expect the same 6 month hit.  It's designed to promote variety while at the same time blending the team together into a tighter knit unit.  In due course there could well be some min/maxing strategies if that floats your boat, but the whole thrust of it is to be more natural and realistic.  So in the brave new world, it's ok to have less than perfect players because that's what we have irl :thup:.
辅导当然会影响性格和决心。但是和过去的拜师系统相比已经产生了很大的改变,过去的拜师系统是找两个球员配对,然后6个月后两人的性格就变得一模一样。
现在已经完全不是那样了。许多因素(包括动态系统)会对球员产生影响,而且这个过程也会变得更加漫长。不要再想着6个月搞定一切。我们希望在游戏中加入更多的可能性,以及让你把整个球队作为一个整体看待。也许不久之后,就会有关于辅导系统的秘籍被研究出来,但是我们的目的是让整个游戏体验变得更自然和真实。所以在这个美丽新世界里,你不必把每个球员都培养成为完人,因为现实中没有完人。

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发表于 2018-10-23 12:36 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 stynsf 于 2018-10-23 12:56 编辑

总结:现在拜师比较难
坑爹啊

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养性格太难了
发表于 2018-10-23 12:40 | 显示全部楼层
这代养小牛和现实一样,不可能随便就满了,会有惊喜也会出很多伤仲永
发表于 2018-10-23 13:05 | 显示全部楼层
是的,更加真实,~
发表于 2018-10-23 13:31 | 显示全部楼层
我也有此感受,养小牛的确比以前难了。虽说是真实了一些,不过感觉是不是有些矫枉过正了?
发表于 2018-10-23 15:51 | 显示全部楼层
看来以后就要挑初始性格好的小牛,不能只看PA了,
发表于 2018-10-23 17:31 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
长久来看更真实了,但是规律什么的还是要应该透露一点的,否则又是一条走向另一个不真实的极端
发表于 2018-10-23 17:51 | 显示全部楼层
看完了意思说在特定的情况下养牛全部看脸咯
发表于 2018-10-23 20:28 | 显示全部楼层
但是也别把养小牛这个养成类大乐趣给弄没了啊,而且看这样子,青年队的很多球员只能租借了,不知道租界球员能不能在别的球队学到好习惯

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好不容易练好的牛租出去,性格被带坏了就日了狗了  发表于 2018-10-23 20:54
发表于 2018-10-24 14:17 | 显示全部楼层
我也发现了
提到一线队才能辅导
太坑爹了
发表于 2018-10-24 14:30 | 显示全部楼层
感谢分享翻译
发表于 2018-10-24 15:42 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
感谢感谢,这代养小牛的确难了,精神强大的老将尤为珍贵
发表于 2018-10-24 22:32 | 显示全部楼层
以前的版本只要搜到好的小妖就可以了,一直练就能练出来,现在你就是PA很高,不给机会也练不出来了
发表于 2018-10-25 08:39 | 显示全部楼层
感觉有一点点的矫正过头了
发表于 2018-10-25 09:38 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
相对真实一些了,青年队和一线队球员之间联系不多,拜师确实不现实
发表于 2018-10-26 08:41 | 显示全部楼层
这让更多的高潜随机性格的小牛变成了废物。以后只能买初始决心职业高的小牛了。
发表于 2018-11-2 14:16 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2018-11-2 14:25 | 显示全部楼层
好不容易有了cr这样的顶级老师,想把基恩带一带的。
发表于 2018-11-20 01:13 | 显示全部楼层
pro717 发表于 2018-10-23 13:31
我也有此感受,养小牛的确比以前难了。虽说是真实了一些,不过感觉是不是有些矫枉过正了?

你知不知道你把我老婆拿来做头像了
发表于 2018-11-20 12:55 | 显示全部楼层
奥古斯泰 发表于 2018-11-20 01:13
你知不知道你把我老婆拿来做头像了

啊,抱歉……不过,这是个名人么?我只是随意在网上看到一张照片就放上来了……
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